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9/14/04 Y-Y Message #2307   Former fixer Patrick Wall "was living and studying at St. John's Abbey in Collegeville, Minn., home of the world's largest Benedictine monastery. It shares an oasis of tall pines and gentle learning with a prep school and St. John's University, and more than a decade later, it would suffer a devastating scandal that reached back 40 years." (TimesHeraldOnline.com, 9/6/2003) Mr. Wall works in the law offices of attorney John Manly.

9/13/04 -- Message #2306   I wonder if Patrick Wall could help in any way with finding answers about what may have happened to Joshua

9/13/04 Anonymous Message #2305   "Ex-monk, who served as 'fixer' after parish scandals, now helps abuse victims sue church ... By Deborah Hastings ... AP National Writer ... COSTA MESA, Calif. -- He liked the job at first. His superiors liked him. He was 26, he was moving fast, and he was doing God's work.But by the time he had taken over his fourth parish in four years, he realized he wasn't doing God's work at all. He was doing the bidding of the Roman Catholic hierarchy. And those two things, in his mind, were not remotely the same. ... As a Benedictine monk, Patrick Wall cleaned up and covered up the sins of priests -- pastors who were quietly transferred when their sexual and financial trespasses threatened to ignite public scandal. "

9/13/04 -- Message #2304   Anonymous, thank you very much for the media contact information. I think Mr. Guimond, and you, are on target about how to start getting some feedback from authorities -- looks like it will have to be done at a grass roots level. I still can't get over the fact that the community at large isn't demanding answers about this case. But, perhaps a letter writing/e-mail campaign to the media will inspire others to get involved -- and motivate the people in a position of power to do something to help. I've been working on getting Oprah to do another missing persons segment -- and I will keep working on that. What other ideas do you guys have to get the word out about Joshua? If you are reading this and haven't contacted the sheriff, congressman, St. Cloud Times, etc. won't you please help right now? It's the only way we're ever going to get results...well along with a lot of prayer power that is

9/12/04 Anonymous Message #2303   Appealing to the sheriff, who serves at the pleasure of voters, is certainly a constructive option. However, I suggest concerned citizens also contact Josh's congressman, who happens to be a former St. John's student. You'd think he'd have at least some concern. Here's the contact info for his campaign office: Rep. Mark Kennedy, P.O. Box 1145, Monticello, MN 55362, Phone (763)295-6222, Fax (763)295-6432, Email markkennedy@kennedyforcongress.com. Or go to this site to post a message: http://www.kennedyforcongress.com/contacts.asp .. Also, the media have ethical obligations to the community. Write Susan Ihne, Executive Editor of the St. Cloud Times at email sihne@stcloudtimes.com and ask why they haven't asked the question (or received a straight answer).

9/12/04 -- Message #2302   john.sanner@co.stearns.mn.us -- make sure ya'll spell his email address like this, thanks!

9/12/04 -- Message #2301   Oft' times I wonder -- is there an investigator reading this website who is willing to help? Is there someone "out there" who has experience with these kinds of cases who is willing to give the Guimonds some guidance? I believe this case may be very complicated...and require someone who has a high level of expertise and experience. It seems the sherrif's dept. is still treating this as a missing persons case ... when it's clear to everyone else it's more than that ... if anyone out there reading this can help, please seriously consider doing so...meantime...we'll keep searching, watching, investigating all that we can to get to the truth...

9/12/04 -- Message #2300   Okay Mr. Guimond, I'll email the sheriff's dept. I think you're right -- if we don't fight for your son, nothing at all is going to happen. It's obvious now this is going to be a long term battle. I wonder how much authority and expertise the sheriff's dept. really has with regard to dealing with large, powerful organizations. I feel like those of us looking for Joshua are all standing behind a glass wall -- watching but never allowed to know anything. I guess we'll just have to keep screaming for justice ... and for help... until someone in a position to do something listens. And we'll just keep praying, too...one thing is for certain, we will never give up

9/12/04 Joshs Dad Message #2299   It’s up to all of us, the public, to ask the Sheriff why he hasn’t publicly admitted an abduction is possible. They have no evidence of anything else that is possible. The lake has been cleared, and it has been long enough that something in the lake would have come up by now. So with no evidence of anything, how can an abduction not be possible? It seems that he hasn’t run away, no activity of credit cards or bank account; his loved ones have not heard a word from him, including family and close friends. If everybody pulls together and emails the Sheriff asking him why an abduction isn’t possible. His email address is - john.sanner@co.streans.mn.us It appears that public pressure is the only way things happen.

9/11/04 -- Message #2298   Amen, Tom.

9/11/04 Tom Holzinger Message #2297   "A message to St. Johns and its puppets- EZEKIEL 7:9- 'My eye will not spare, nore will I have pity; I will repay you according to your ways, and your ABOMINATIONS will be in your midst. Then you shall know that I am the Lord who STRIKES. ... Read EZEKIEL 8."

9/8/04 -- Message #2296   "Demand answers about credible charges of sexual abuse that may have come to light *after* the 2002 settlement. Has anyone been reassigned since or sent away for treatment without community notification? If so, who are they, where are they now, and who was involved in the decision-making process, if any? If misconduct has occurred and there has been no community notification, who is responsible and is there a "fixer"?" Any ideas as to how go about obtaining this information? Any help would be appreciated.

9/8/04 -- Message #2295   Anonymous, your point is well taken. It is terribly unfair that certain cases receive inordinate amounts of attention while others fade away. Joshua's community should be *outraged* about his disappearance and the fact that such little progress has been made. I can't understand the apathy. A little over a year ago, a young lady went missing in our area, and all heck broke loose. The community banded together and went into an all out search mode, and this did not let up until she was found many months later. I don't understand how a community could all but forget one of its own -- and talk about a shining star -- Joshua is everything a parent, university and community would be proud of -- and as I've said before, he would have never given up searching for a lost friend. Don't worry, Joshua, we won't let it go, we'll find you

9/7/04 Anonymous Message #2294   From the St. Joseph Newsleader, Sept. 3, 2004, by Dennis Dalman, Editor-in-Chief: "If you are white and female and good-looking, you will get a lot of press coverage if you are suddenly missing or killed. ... A year or so ago, there was the news report of a chubby little girl kidnapped. ... She was a poor girl, not particularly pretty, and ... the TV media dropped her like a dead weight. It’s the same with Josh Guimond, a St. John’s University student who disappeared nearly two years ago from his campus near St. Joseph. Other than his family’s and friends’ concerns, the general attitude seems to be, 'Gee, what a shame...' And people who really don’t seem to care are still saying, 'His body will eventually surface on a campus lake.' No wonder Guimond’s father is angry! The sad fact is, this country’s distorted values determine how 'serious' your death is. ... Again, let me repeat, every murder is horrible and should be investigated to the utmost, no matter how long it takes to solve."

9/7/04 -- Message #2293   The whole situation is horribly frustrating -- but we're not going to stop asking questions and we'll keep searching for the answers. Someone on or from that campus knows exactly what happened to Joshua. We'll never stop asking, we'll never stop looking -- until we find Joshua

9/7/04 joshuas dad Message #2292   how can you be so stupid and think st johns is not covering up anything what about all the victims of the phedofiles why was i banned right after i asked about the travel habits of jerome tupa seems to have alot in common things with wetterling nobody supposedly knows anything

9/7/04 -- Message #2291   Tom, great message. I can't speak for anyone else, but I remain "anonymous" because I have a healthy fear of a very large and very powerful organization. But, if I felt it would advance the cause of finding Josh, I'd identify myself. Having said that, the hard cold reality is -- the Catholic church is a very, very wealthy institution -- very powerful too -- and it takes a concerted effort of all people to stand up and say "you cannot do this anymore." Why the Catholic church feels priests/monks guilty of sexual offenses are above the law is beyond me. Yes, things are changing a little -- but the cases now seen are the tip of the iceberg. It is infuriating

9/7/04 Tom Holzinger Message #2290   Seriously, Why is St. Johns above the law, its total bull shit. these are the kinds of people were taught to trust but really we should lock them up, using God name in VANE, pretending to be Holy, and as a believer in God, not Religion it really pisses me off. but God sees what they are doing be sure of that. ........... STOP being anonomous, stand up and say what you have to say.

9/7/04 -- Message #2289   I wasn't aware that "optional celibacy" was still being discussed and supported in the church.

9/7/04 -- Message #2288   "- The Rev. Donald LeMay, OSB ... - The Rev. Brennan Maiers, OSB ... - The Rev. Harold Pavelis ... - The Rev. Eugene Meemken ... - The Rev. Gerald L. Mischke ... - The Rev. James A. Thoennes ... - The Rev. Kilian McDonnell, OSB ... - The Rev. Philip S. Kaufman, OSB ... - The Rev. Robert Pierson, OSB ... - The Rev. Corwin Collins, OSB ... - The Rev. Don Talafous, OSB ... - The Rev. Greg Miller, OSB ... - The Rev. Anthony Kroll ... - The Rev. Eberhard Schefers ... - The Rev. Francis Britz ... - The Rev. William A. Vos ... - The Rev. Alfred Stangl ... - The Rev. Michael Patella, OSB ... - The Rev. Eugene McGlothlin, OSB ... - The Rev. Roman Paur, OSB ... - The Rev. Richard McGuire ... - The Rev. Peter Snyers ... - The Rev. Eugene Doyle ... - The Rev. Gerald Dalseth ... "

9/7/04 -- Message #2287   "Retired and active priests in the Diocese of St. Cloud who signed the letter in support of a discussion about optional celibacy for the priesthood: ... - The Rev. Robert Kieffer ... - The Rev. Ronald Weyrens ... - The Rev. Charles Kunkel, OSC ... - The Rev. Martin F. Rath, OSB ... - The Rev. Allen Tarlton, OSB ... - The Rev. Patrick McDarby, OSB ... - The Rev. Henry B. Hays, OSB ... - The Rev. LeRoy A. Maus ... - The Rev. Vincent Lieser ... - The Rev. Cletus Connors, OSB ... - The Rev. Blane Wasnie, OSB ... - The Rev. Lloyd Haupt ... - The Rev. Jerome Tupa, OSB ... cont."

9/7/04 -- Message #2286   Mr. Guimond, I was just listening to your's and Mr. Rothstein's interview from last year on "A Closer Look" again. What's it going to take to get action on this case, I wonder. There are many of us praying for you, your son and your whole family. We're never going to give up until we find the truth about what happened to your son.

9/7/04 Joshs Dad Message #2285   "Why is the Sheriff’s department not admitting an abduction is possible? ... Or is it because of St. John’s reputation that they can’t have an abduction on their campus? ... What about Jerome Tupa? ... What about the stalling St. John’s is doing on their harassment order on me. Over two months ago the Judge ordered their paperwork, but they have yet to produce one piece of paper. How does this work? ... What Judge is going to give a restraining order on people that are not even there any more? The five who supposedly this order is temporarily in place for? ... What about the eleven admitted pedophiles living at St. John’s? ... One of the pedophile priests admits to the satanic worship that has been occurring on campus ... I have pictures and video of the satanic symbols verified by professionals in the field of satanic worship, yet St. John’s states that it is random graffiti."

9/6/04 -- Message #2284   I recently solved the case of a young man who had been missing for several years. It was a gut wrenching process, but something I felt compelled to do. The only reason I solved it was through the grace of God. Many a night have I lost sleep pondering the plight of that young man. Likewise, Joshua. I am not interested in St. John's University -- not in any way except to the extent that I believe the university has not been as helpful as it could be to the Guimond family, and to Joshua. Please understand, I am not *blaming* St. John's for Joshua's disappearance. What I am saying, though, is that I do not feel the university has done enough to assist with the search. The other possible aspects to the cases involving the abbey are just part of a larger picture of investigating the case. That's the only reason I'm here -- to get information and find out what happened to Joshua -- it's terribly discouraging -- but I vowed I would not stop looking, and I won't

9/6/04 ? Message #2283   was the comment about it happening to my son, or my best friend, or someone i know directed at me, and until that happens i wont understan? I understand a lot more than you think.

9/6/04 -- Message #2282   ''"Be constructive. Urge the media and elected officials to seek answers to these questions ... and always remember: ''innocent until proven guilty.'''' But of course. Rememeber too, that obtaining sensitive information, researching backgrounds of particular individuals, looking into all the dark little corners -- is indeed quite difficult -- when faced with an institution that has a tremendous amount of financial and legal resources. As I've 'oft said -- this case will be solved only with great courage and persistence on the part of Josh's family and a small but loyal group of his friends who will continue to pursue truth until their dying days -- for, what I believe, is that Joshua would have done this for every one of them, too ... "

9/6/04 -- Message #2281   "but the monks that are being watched have nothing to do with the University or the campus" Indeed. But what makes you 100% all the other monks and professors who are not being "watched" do not have potential "problems?" I am not saying that they do, I am saying that based upon the research I have done, the possiblity can exist. And on that note, I recommend anyone who has further questions or cares to look, begin researching yourself...then let's talk

9/6/04 -- Message #2280   Joshua Guimond, being of minor age, was entrusted into to the care of St. John's University as one of its students. He disappeared from the campus of -- St. John's University. It is, therefore, incumbent upon St. John's University to offer whatever help it can in order to resolve the disappearance of one of its own students from its very own campus. How much help is or is not enough in the case of a student who suddenly disappears from a campus in the middle of the night, never to be seen again? A couple months? A couple thousand dollars? How much is Joshua's life worth? How much should a well funded university like St. John's contribute? How open should the university be with the community about the facts of this case, and how helpful should the university be to the Guimond family? What if this was your brother, your best friend -- and perhaps someday in later years -- your son? Is it possible, I wonder, for you to even imagine it

9/6/04 -- Message #2279   Lest one think that all who visit here have the same agenda, allow me to offer that some have Joshua's welfare first at heart, while others have other people or places first at heart -- alas

9/6/04 -- Message #2278   "Question: ''And for those who think Saint John's is hiding things...what good would that do them?'' ... ... Possible answer: ''Its monks -- like priests across the nation and abroad -- are experiencing ''the dark night of the spirit,'' said the noted author, psychologist and visiting professor at John Carroll University in Cleveland. Cozzens is right. St. John’s risks a drop in enrollment, alumni loyalty and fundraising capability just as it is launching a $7 million drive to build a 60-bed guesthouse for visitors and retreatants. The guesthouse has been on the abbey’s wish list since 1979'' "

9/6/04 Anonymous Message #2277   I agree ... the entire corporation should not be painted with the same brush. Remember, Enron’s victims for the most part were shareholders and loyal employees. A few bad apples brought Enron crashing down to crush the innocent. Let’s not destroy the entire institution. Sure, take another look at those individuals named in the October 2002 legal agreement with St. Johns Abbey involving settlements to victims of clergy sex abuse. Demand answers about credible charges of sexual abuse that may have come to light *after* the 2002 settlement. Has anyone been reassigned since or sent away for treatment without community notification? If so, who are they, where are they now, and who was involved in the decision-making process, if any? If misconduct has occurred and there has been no community notification, who is responsible and is there a "fixer"? Be constructive. Urge the media and elected officials to seek answers to these questions ... and always remember: "innocent until proven guilty."

9/5/04 ? Message #2276   Are we not all in this together and want the same outcome? Answers will come as we get deeper and deeper into the information we have and need...but putting this on an individuals/universities shoulders...not going to get us anywhere except for on the bad side of the people who we need to help us.

9/5/04 -- Message #2274   ''"I agree that the monks should be looked at from every angle, but dont for a second, try to say that this is Saint John's fault. The monestary is the monestary, the school is the school. Please, we are not trying to ruin the reputation of Saint John's, they are not at fault here and should not be a part of the investigation, the monestary should.'' ... I thought the two were affiliated with one another and co-located on the same campus? "

9/5/04 ? Message #2273   I agree that the monks should be looked at from every angle, but dont for a second, try to say that this is Saint John's fault. The monestary is the monestary, the school is the school. Please, we are not trying to ruin the reputation of Saint John's, they are not at fault here and should not be a part of the investigation, the monestary should.

9/4/04 -- Message #2272   To the "SJU Support" folks -- know what's really wearing thin? Your defense of the indefensible. The more I dig into this abbey, the more I don't like what I see

9/4/04 -- Message #2271   "Church in Crisis ... By PATRICIA LEFEVERE ... Collegeville, Minn. ... Ed Vessel said he was ''disinvited'' to the Oct. 1 news conference at which St. John’s Abbey and Jeffrey Anderson, attorney for victims of sexual abuse by abbey monks, jointly announced a broad financial settlement of claims against the abbey. ... ''I was stopped from going in by two St. John’s security guards and two sheriff’s deputies, even though I told them I’d had a hand in helping with the case,'' Vessel told NCR. Vessel’s case was not one of the ones in the latest round of settlements. ... For 24 years Vessel has been, by his own account, ''the lion at the gate'' of St. John’s attempting to get the abbey to acknowledge that Fr. Richard Eckroth molested his son and exhibited inappropriate sexual conduct with two of his three daughters in the 1970s, when the monk took them and scores of other children to the secluded lakeside cabin owned by the Benedictines near Bemidji, Minn. ... "

9/4/04 -- Message #2270   What some people view as finger pointing others view as investigation and research. Everyone has their own agenda. Mine is not to make a statement about the reputation of St. John's University. My agenda is to continue digging into this case until answers are found. What's your agenda?

9/4/04 -- Message #2269   "Monks suffer with abusers in the family ... Last in a two-part series ... By PATRICIA LEFEVERE ... Collegeville, Minn. ... Besides sparking anger and anxiety, the scandals call into question the future of St. John’s, which includes a university, a preparatory school, a publishing house and an ecumenical institute, each of which appears in good health. ... Nevertheless, ''St. John’s is at risk,'' Fr. Donald Cozzens said earlier this year after ending 10 months as a visiting scholar at the Ecumenical and Cultural Institute. Its monks -- like priests across the nation and abroad -- are experiencing ''the dark night of the spirit,'' said the noted author, psychologist and visiting professor at John Carroll University in Cleveland. ... Cozzens is right. St. John’s risks a drop in enrollment, alumni loyalty and fundraising capability just as it is launching a $7 million drive to build a 60-bed guesthouse for visitors and retreatants. The guesthouse has been on the abbey’s wish list since 1979'' ... "

9/4/04 -- Message #2268   "MINNEAPOLIS (MN) ... Abuse victims, St. John's Abbey settle claims ... Minneapolis-St. Paul Star Tribune ... Paul McEnroe and Pam Louwagie ... Star Tribune ... Published Sep 27, 2002 ... Victims of sexual abuse by monks from St. John's Abbey in Collegeville, Minn., have reached a broad financial settlement with the abbey, attorney Jeff Anderson said Thursday. ... Anderson said that the agreement also included ''significant noneconomic points that will go towards creating strong safeguards in the future to prevent sexual abuse by abbey monks.'' ... He declined to say how many victims were included in the settlement and how much money the abbey agreed to pay. At least a dozen victims had sued or brought demands against the abbey in the 1990s, and some of them received small settlements from the abbey at the time of their lawsuits.>snip ... "

9/4/04 -- Message #2267   Anonymous, thank you for this information. It is much appreciated.

9/4/04 Anonymous Message #2266   Latest on the "pedophile issue" (St. Cloud Times, Sept. 4, 2004): The state Supreme Court has declined to hear the appeal of a former St. John's Prep student whose lawsuit against his former priest and teacher was dismissed.... Attorneys for [the former priest] and St. John's Abbey successfully argued that Quenroe filed his lawsuit after the statute of limitations expired.... Quenroe accused [the former priest] of sexually abusing him in the early 1980s when Quenroe was a student at St. John's Prep. [The former priest] was a teacher and spiritual adviser there.... Quenroe was one of several people who signed a landmark agreement with St. Johns Abbey in October 2002 that involved payments to numerous victims of clergy sex abuse and the formation of an external review board. The agreement included a provision that prevented those victims from seeking additional settlements from the abbey in the future but allowed them to sue the abbey's insurance carrier. http://www.sctimes.com

9/2/04 -- Message #2265   By the way, no case that I know of was ever solved by simply looking the other way. What some of you view as rumor and gossip, others view as being potentially signficant pieces of information. The pedophile issue might be wearing thin for you -- but it's still a disconcerting aspect to this case. It's something that has to be evaluated, along with all the other variables. What are your theories, if any? What else do you feel should be done to find the Guimond's son? How do you feel Joshua would feel about the efforts being made to find him? If it was my son, I would be heartbroken...instead of just plain discouraged

9/2/04 -- Message #2264   Everyone has their own agenda. Yours might be to rah rah rah sis boom bah for St. John's -- mine is to find a student who suddenly disappeared from this campus. This message board is a place for people who care about Joshua to come together and find support and information. We are looking for answers, period. Someone we care about is missing -- he has been missing for several years now ... SJU seems to have washed its hands of this case. How on earth can you defend that kind of attitude toward a student and his family? Further, if you directly asked Josh's parents whether they believe the university has been doing all it can to help find their son, what do you think they would say?

9/2/04 a reader Message #2263   Observation.. i couldn't agree with you more. I hope the family still finds encouragement from the message board, not discouragement. Its a complete shame.

9/2/04 Observation Message #2262   "As a frequent visitor to this site, I am saddened by what this site has turned into. Not a helpful encouraging site, but one that spreads rumors. Instead of supporting the family and the community, we are all to busy with rumor and unimportant detail. ... SHAME"

9/2/04 SJU Support Message #2261   It seems as though a lot of people on this post want to play judge and jury all at the same time. My post was simply pointing out that there are more productive things to do than sling unsubstantiated rumors about. Yes Saint Johns was the place he went missing from and for that Saint Johns is held partially responsible, but for every child, every person that has gone missing have we help the place responsible. Was Saint Joseph held responsible with Jacob was abducted, no the city was not. What is the difference now, perhaps it is that Saint Johns is an easy target. I am not interested in feelings, but rather in finding Josh, I just believe there are more productive ways to go about searching for him.

9/2/04 SJU Support Message #2260   "By the way the pedophile comment is running thin, there are pedophiles housed in every city around Saint Johns, why would the average ratio be any different on a college campus then in any city in the country. ... Oh and by the way I am all to aware of how it feels for someone I love to go missing and from experience I know that this type of accusation and innuendo does not help, it only hurts. ... "

9/2/04 Aubs Message #2259   To many, it must be frustrating that there is seemingly no progress in solving Josh's apparently mysterious disappearance. Though small comfort to those searching for answers, it's worth noting that until they come for him, there's no closure for the perpetrator, who wastes away day after day perpetually looking over his shoulder. Today's St. Cloud Times article "Rekers hope for clues in killings" offers some advice also relevant to Jacob and Josh. Some extracts: Rita and Fred Reker continue to press for answers. Their daughters, Mary and Susan, disappeared Sept. 2, 1974, and were found dead 26 days later in a quarry. ... "There have to be people in this area who know, and all we need is for that person to call," Rita Reker said. ... [Sheriff] Sanner encouraged anyone to call [320-255-1301 or 251-4240] with information they have about the case, even if they think their information isn't important. "Please call," he said. "Let us make the determination." Story: http://www.sctimes.com

9/2/04 Bob Message #2258   Well put, "--". As you say, no one is interested in the feelings of St. Johns's.

9/1/04 -- Message #2257   Look, we're not talking about a lost dog here -- we are talking about a human being -- a young man in the prime of his life -- who suddenly and mysteriously disappeared from the campus of St. John's University. Understand this, St. John's is not being used as a scapegoat -- St. John's was *the place* from which Joshua disappeared; St. John's houses known pedophiles; St. John's, like it or not, figures prominently in this whole tragedy. No one is interested the feelings of St. John's -- the only thing we're interested in is finding this young man. If you examine other cases in which young people have disappeared from college campuses, you will find that these schools offered full support to the families. Do you really feel this is the kind of support St. John's University has been giving to the Guimond family? If this was your son missing, would you feel supported? Can you even begin to understand how it feels to have someone you love just disappear from a college campus?

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