| 4/16/05 |
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Message #2465 |
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Tom, would I be on track if I were to ponder the theory that a certain deviant sect may be tangled in this case. On a separate note, there is a solid reason for remaining anonymous on this board -- it's called personal safety |
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| 4/16/05 |
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Message #2464 |
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This is like a puzzle of connect the dots, isn't it Tom...I see various "links" and one commom theme -- |
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| 4/16/05 |
Misty Yanish |
Message #2463 |
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"A True Friend ... Friendship can be as simple as a smile, ... or just a friendly ear to listen for a while. ... An outstretched hand, ... a friendly tight squeeze, ... even a friendly tease. ... Sometimes friends appear out of nowhere, ... ready to laugh and share. ... A kind word from a friend makes you strong, ... you hope to have friends like this your whole life long. ... When you’re lost in a fog of confusion and despair, ... a friend can come out of nowhere. ... A gentle hug or just a warm smile, ... can make your pain vanish for a while. ... Maybe saying something as simple as have a nice day, ... is all you need to say. ... Sometimes with just a little spark, ... a new friendship can start. ... You opened my eyes and helped me see, ... I have a new friend who is very precious to me. ... Hope you come home soon Love ya!" |
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| 4/14/05 |
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Message #2462 |
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Tom, it's you, you didn't leave, thank God. I know someone reading this board has legal connections and can find out this information!! C'mon people, help!! Did everyone look at that picture?! Who does it look like?! I know someone recognizes this person -- please don't be afraid to speak up!! |
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| 4/13/05 |
BMW |
Message #2461 |
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"As a Benedictine monk, Patrick Wall cleaned up and covered up the sins of priests -- pastors who were quietly transferred when their sexual and financial trespasses threatened to ignite public scandal." Now check out the person in this sketch (http://myexperiments.homestead.com/untitled6.html), described as follows in 1989, shortly after the Jacob Wetterling kidnapping: "Caucasian male, balding gray hair, 50 to 55 years of age [65-70 today], height 5'10'' to 6'0'', weight 185 to 210 pounds." So, "Was a subpoena duces tecum exercised at the Southdown outfit in Canada?" Thank you. |
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| 4/13/05 |
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Message #2460 |
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"The elevator reaches the 12th-story Manly & McGuire offices. Manly and Wall split up, entering their respective offices. Whereas Manly occupies the corner office, Wall’s space consists of a chair, a counter, a beautiful view overlooking verdant bean fields, and stacks and stacks of paper—evidence pertaining to various sexual-abuse cases, binders bursting with personal histories of suspected child-molesting priests, and drawers with even more papers and archives pertaining to lawsuits." |
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| 4/13/05 |
Anonymous |
Message #2459 |
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"This is someone who I believe could help. ... ''As a Benedictine monk, Patrick Wall cleaned up and covered up the sins of priests -- pastors who were quietly transferred when their sexual and financial trespasses threatened to ignite public scandal'' ... " |
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| 4/13/05 |
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Message #2458 |
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I remember this message well. I did research and look for answers -- but without legal assistance, I can't see how all the information can be obtained. Tom -- where did you go, please come back and help. |
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| 4/13/05 |
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Message #2457 |
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Who is the policeman who tried to enter the Abbey to search?Who is the(monk)who denied the police entry to the building?That does not sound good.Was a subpoena duces tecum exercised at the Southdown outfit in Canada?What are the Reker Murders?What is the Trident Foundation?Who is Bruce Wemmerling?Who is the attorney for the college?What is the name of the monks attorney? Has anyone compiled a list of all the attorneys involved including any prosecutors?Who is David E. Fredrickson?Has anyone examined any possible relationships between the attorneys and the monks?Who pays for the monks to live and eat?Identify the name of the law firm who represents the monks?What is the Southdown Institute?Has anyone spoken with an international attorney about a subpoena duces tecum for Southdown?Who is Carl Weschcke?Who is the judge who signed the order preventing the father from going onto the campus? Where did this judge go to law school? Thanks |
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| 4/11/05 |
Jerry |
Message #2456 |
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Stumbler: The most pertinent message was posted by Tom on 4/9/2004. |
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| 4/11/05 |
Stumbler |
Message #2455 |
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"I'm up to p.103. ... Minnesotans have a lot of paranoia and ignorance and mystification about adult beverages. Someday they'll probably turn this into a dry state. If this case wasn't so deadly serious it would be funny." |
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| 4/11/05 |
Webmaster |
Message #2454 |
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There... The info@findjoshua.com should no longer send a bounce message. There are several family members that get copied when you send a message to that address. I'm working on getting an updated address for the one person that was causing the invalid address error. In the mean time, please continue to use that address as your messages are still getting to Joshua's family! |
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| 4/10/05 |
Stumbler |
Message #2451 |
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"I tried to use ''contact us.'' ... The message came back ''undeliverable.'' ... Has the address changed? ... Or should I just try it again. ... I'm sure it's rough. It's really hard for me to really grasp what you must be going through. ... Hope you can hang in there." |
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| 4/9/05 |
BMW |
Message #2450 |
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Joshua's Dad: If you meet with Stumbler, one thing he might look into is the name Monduel or Montduel -- Jake or Jacob G. Does Indiana Highway Patrol or Indiana State Police mean anything? How about October 1984? And there's something about a motorcycle and a newspaper clipping. |
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| 4/8/05 |
joshuas father |
Message #2449 |
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stumbler i could possibly set a meeting up you have not told me how you can help |
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| 4/8/05 |
Stumbler |
Message #2448 |
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Is there a way to read through these messages easier than End-left click, End-left click etc? I'm doubtful about the authorities. Will the death of the Pope soften up the Benedictines for us? How about on p.75 the Sheriff's office said they were "ecstatic."(May 10,04) What was that about? I'm interested in meeting Jim Rothstein. Does he ever come to Minnesota? |
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| 4/6/05 |
joshuas father |
Message #2447 |
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stumbler if you can and will help what are you waiting for go to contact info |
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| 4/2/05 |
Nick |
Message #2446 |
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Stumbler, I urge you to contact Josh's family via the "Contact Us" link on the right side of the page. Thank you very much in advance for your kindness and generosity. |
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| 4/2/05 |
Stumbler |
Message #2445 |
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"I come in peace -not to be rude. ... It looks like the one serious guy, ''--'' ... is being resisted. I would like to ... help. I have some time, money and life ... left. Or has this search given up on ... all efforts other than prayer, faith ... mutual emotional support? ... Hang in there because this whole case ... is ''disturbing.''" |
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| 3/23/05 |
Mom |
Message #2444 |
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Josh, I haven't written in a long time and I am sorry. The hope that we will find you still continues and always will. I think about you everyday and will love you always. Mom |
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| 3/16/05 |
Bob |
Message #2443 |
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". . . . in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who ''will render to each one according to his deeds'' . . . . to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness -- indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil . . . . ... Romans 2:5-9 (NKJV)" |
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| 3/15/05 |
Anonymous |
Message #2442 |
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"I DONT KNOW YOU AT ALL, BUT IT MAKES ME SICK WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. MAYBE THE DISTURBED INDIVIDUALS ... WILL PASS THROUGH JUDGEMENT. GOD SPEED ... JOSH AND HOPEFULLY HE WILL BRING YOU HOME." |
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| 2/24/05 |
Greg |
Message #2440 |
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Josh...people say that things will eventually get better and turn around...how wrong could they be. I have lost two friends of the family since the incident at Saint John's...but all I can think about is you...and how i know you are still out there somewhere. I was just recently on vacation, and man, i was looking at everyone i saw hoping it was you. Your missed josh, by everyone, and we are going to figure this out. |
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| 2/14/05 |
Nick |
Message #2439 |
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Hi Josh. I wanted to let you know that the mock trial team just had an outstanding weekend at regionals. This included a trial for the ages against our old regional rival Macalester. If you could only have seen the team, I know you would have been very, very proud. |
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| 2/7/05 |
Aubs |
Message #2438 |
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"anonymous: There could be information relevant to a person or persons allegedly involved in Josh’s disappearance that I’m unaware of; so, if your information is correct, you need to report it immediately to the Stearns County Sheriff's Department at (320) 251-4240. ... Last year, the sheriff made a personal appeal to men who were boys aged 10 to 15 and living in or near St. Joseph or Cold Spring in the late 1980s and early 1990s to contact him if they were ever approached in a sexual manner by an adult man but never reported it to the police. By the same token, any past or present male students who have been approached in a sexual manner, abused, or stalked -- on- or off-campus -- by an adult male and never reported it to police, should immediately contact the sheriff at the above number. This could be the final piece of testimony needed for a circumstantial prosecution in the disappearance of Josh and/or Jacob Wetterling. ... " |
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| 2/6/05 |
anonymous |
Message #2437 |
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"Hope your right Aubs--if not you may be an accesory! ... " |
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| 2/6/05 |
Anonymous |
Message #2436 |
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Aubs regarding your 1/20/05 post---"...no substance..."????? It is well known that the professor in question has had complaints filed against him for stalking students!! |
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| 1/29/05 |
Marie |
Message #2435 |
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"My dear cousin Joshua. My Uncle Tom is loosing a struggling battle of renal cancer as we speek. I was recently in Minnesota to say good bye to him for the last time as he is being taken care of by Hospice. Saying good bye to someone for the last time and then having to leave knowing that is it the hardest thing I have ever done. But next to that is the thought of never have found my cousin. My Uncle Tom told me as I was saying good bye, was to keep looking for my cousin Joshua because he is out there, he does not feel like it is his time and that we must find him. So my message to the one or more persons that do know what happened to my cousin is to please confess somehow because you danm well must not know how it feels to loose someone is who is so loved. ... Josh-there still is not a day that goes by we do not think of you. ... Love,Marie, Marc, Marcus and Mackenzi" |
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| 1/23/05 |
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Message #2434 |
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Even though I do not know Josh I am a friend of Brian"s I feel so bad for Lisa And Brian god bless megan |
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| 1/21/05 |
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Message #2433 |
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''"Regarding Josh not taking his coat when the temperature was near freezing, the logical inference is that he did not plan any detours. It's barely a 5-minute walk from the card game at Metten back to his room in Maur.'' Do you feel then, that Joshua was forced to make a detour from his planned route back to his dorm? And, since this campus seems to be rather isolated -- who would be lurking about -- if not someone specifically stalking Joshua -- then who -- someone prepared for a random assault? Do you feel Joshua was just in the wrong place at the wrong time? ... ... " |
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| 1/20/05 |
Aubs |
Message #2432 |
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IMHO there's no substance to the so-called "stalker" speculation; this particular individual is not of any particular interest. Re SBH Auditorium: It's across the road from the library, adjacent to the Quad. It's not an area Josh would have passed on his way from the card game back to his room. I don't know if investigators are aware of this incident, but I assume they must be. It did not require any investigative expertise to discover this information, so I have to assume the appropriate authorities are aware of and have looked into this incident. Regarding Josh not taking his coat when the temperature was near freezing, the logical inference is that he did not plan any detours. It's barely a 5-minute walk from the card game at Metten back to his room in Maur. |
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| 1/20/05 |
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Message #2431 |
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"Anonymous on 1/18 mentions about a ''stalker''--wasn't there some info on this site a while back about a St. Johns professor stalking students on campus?? ... Was it an English professor? Has this been looked into?" |
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| 1/18/05 |
Anonymous |
Message #2430 |
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" Earlier the night Josh disappeared another student was approached near the Stephen B. Humphrey Auditorium by someone in a late-model SUV with Nebraska plates, who struck up a conversation with the student. ... Question: Forgive my lack of familiarity with the campus and surrounding area -- where is this auditorium located? Second, I am assuming a description of the person who stopped the other student was given to the sheriff and nothing became it. But -- I guess there's some merit to a theory that this same individual may have been stalking students -- though, I still don't understand why Josh would've have gone walking that night without a warm coat ... ?" |
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| 1/17/05 |
Aubs |
Message #2429 |
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There's nothing within walking distance of campus -- only other campus buildings and an interstate highway. The nearest town (St. Joseph, where Jacob Wetterling was abducted) is about 5 miles away. Most students would give directions or render assistance to someone approaching them at night on campus asking for help. Who wouldn't? Earlier the night Josh disappeared another student was approached near the Stephen B. Humphrey Auditorium by someone in a late-model SUV with Nebraska plates, who struck up a conversation with the student. |
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| 1/17/05 |
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Message #2428 |
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Apparently it was cold out that night and Joshua was not wearing a coat -- nor did he have his glasses with him...knowing he had a car available to him, what would cause him to just go walking to an unknown destination? |
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| 1/17/05 |
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Message #2427 |
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Had Joshua ever before left the campus late at night to walk somewhere alone? I understood the campus to be secluded -- and far from commercial establishments |
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| 1/17/05 |
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Message #2426 |
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Thank you, Aubs, for the information. Operating on the theory that Joshua for whatever reason decided to go somewhere other than back to his dorm -- is he the kind of person who would stop and talk to a stranger if beckoned? Of course someone with bad intent could have motioned him to ask for directions...but what are the odds of that, really? |
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| 1/16/05 |
Aubs |
Message #2425 |
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Josh never made it back to his room. He needed a computerized key card to gain entry; however, according to a source there is no electronic record of his entering his apartment. According to other sources, one eyewitness report has a person matching Josh's description leaving Metten Court and passing Seton Apartments. Another report has a person fitting Josh's description crossing the causeway onto campus at the four-way intersection. At this point Josh would have had to cross a parking lot and a poorly lit area adjacent to the tennis court to reach his room. Instead, he vanished into thin air. |
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| 1/16/05 |
Kris |
Message #2424 |
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One scenario can be that Josh got to his room and found someone inside, going through his things or stealing money from him and he surprised this person who in a panic hit him and killed him. What happened next could be various ways, he was led out the room and hidden on the area or being taken away from there or it could be that Josh was gay and had planned to meet someone to date, this date went awry and something happened, I hope someday the truth will come out. Good luck and I will pray for Josh. xxKris from Belgium |
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| 1/15/05 |
sos |
Message #2423 |
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http://bt.3gangel.com |
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| 1/13/05 |
Anonymous |
Message #2422 |
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Since the family does not like this forum to be used for indepth examination as to what may have happened -- could an alternative site be set up for this purpose? Crime and Justice has a forum for discussing college age disappearances, but the particpation has been meager. |
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| 1/13/05 |
Anonymous |
Message #2421 |
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I'm sure friends working to solve what happened to Joshua have their own ideas -- since I was not there, I cannot even surmise as to whether anyone had a grudge against Joshua for any reason -- whether he may have been despondent and hid his despondency well from his friends or whether they just couldn't fathom it -- or, whether there was anyone in the campus community who may have been a threat to him. These are insights only those closest to Joshua have -- and a valuable advantage in pursuing particular theories. |
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| 1/13/05 |
Anonymous |
Message #2420 |
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To continue examining all the possible angles, is there any hope that records of potential suspects within the campus community have been examined by a PI to determine whether anyone there suddenly left for treatment/vacation/sabbatical shortly after Joshua's disappearance? It does bother me still that the police/searchers were not permitted to enter the abbey for a full search right away. Shame on the "campus life safety" people or whoever made this foolish decision. That area could have been "cleared" immediately, instead of lingering as an unanswered question as to whether there was "something to hide" |
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| 1/13/05 |
Anonymous |
Message #2419 |
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The "authorities" have implored the community to come forward with any information about sexual assaults, pedophiles -- hoping to find leads in the Wetterling case -- to my knowledge nothing substantive has resulted in conjunction with either investigation. |
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| 1/13/05 |
Anonymous |
Message #2418 |
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If Joshua had been abducted, and someone saw it, I can't believe no one would have come forward by this time, even if they felt fearful about it. If someone had been stalking Joshua, that person still took the risk of being seen in Joshua's company |
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| 1/13/05 |
Anonymous |
Message #2417 |
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Most college campuses have at least some students milling around even late at night. It's hard to conceive that at least one person would not have seen or heard something if a tall, strong guy like Joshua was being abducted. Or, alternatively, even if he was walking away with someone he knew and trusted. |
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| 1/13/05 |
Anonymous |
Message #2416 |
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Having said that, I was not there when Joshua disappeared so I cannot know how intoxicated he actually was -- the accounts seem to vary. How clear minded was he? Is it possible he could've decided to take a walk to clear his mind and wound up getting injured/killed accidentally? I know he said he was going back to his dorm, but what if something was bothering him? |
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| 1/13/05 |
Anonymous |
Message #2415 |
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Aubs and Nick, you both know I'm playing "devil's advocate" here. I'm sure you've read about the series of cases of young college age men drowning in rivers. Even in my most intoxicated moments, I was never so out of it to walk or fall into a river. Somehow at least a dozen college guys in the midwest have done this. So it's not totally outside of the realm of possibility that it could have happened to Josh (more) |
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| 1/13/05 |
Aubs |
Message #2414 |
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Q: "What if Josh somehow wound up in a lake and sunk into the mud at the bottom of that lake?" A: (1) Trident would still have been able to detect the anomaly. They're aware of the conditions at the bottom of the lake and confident that their state-of-the art technology is up to the task. (2) Postmortem chemical processes permit a human body to float close to half its own weight. Someone with Josh's body mass would have to be anchored down with about 100 pounds of counterweight to remain at the bottom of the lake. |
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| 1/12/05 |
Nick |
Message #2413 |
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Anonymous -- I agree that we must weigh possibilities. But falling into a lake seems to be very improbable. As you noted, the Trident Foundation did exhaustively search the lakes. But even leaving that aside, the chances of Josh just wandering into a lake are extremely remote. Why would a very smart young man randomly fall into a lake that was well off the path to his apartment? I think that he would not. The only real possibility of him being in a lake, in my opinion, is if it was the result of foul play. |
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